Comments on: Why Not Arm Yourself to the Teeth for Your Collection Due Process Hearing?

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uberVU - social comments — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:17:48 +0000

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By: Rosalinda Minner

Rosalinda Minner — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:13:08 +0000

Thank you very much I found just the info I already searched everywhere and just couldn’t find. What a great website.

By: admin

admin — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:13:15 +0000

Once they have the number, it is virtually impossible to get them to turn loose of it. If I were you, I would send my husband out to look for another job and teach the new employer how to let him work without a number by doing a search in Google for these terms: famguardian.org “no Social Security” and studying the issue out. I would suggest learning to live life without the number. No, make that, I would suggest making a heart felt commitment to live without the number.

By: admin

admin — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:03:15 +0000

Alisa, this one sounds to far out there for me. Do you have any research to back up your assertions? Bear

By: Celeste

Celeste — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:09:14 +0000

Even though my husband works as contract labor (his is a repeat business) no ss#, no hire. How do you get around this?

By: Alisa

Alisa — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:09:28 +0000

Thinking more about why SSA prints your NAME on the card, I’ve decided they do this because your NAME is your property and when someone returns the card to SSA (if lost or stolen) suggests that not only the card/number is their property but your NAME on the card is also. The number alone would suggest that only the card/number is their property. But since SSA does not comply with the privacy laws, not only is the card/number their property, but your NAME on the card is also their property. The card/number/NAME belongs to SSA. Your NAME no was longer your private personal property when you failed to notice the SSA was not in compliance with the privacy laws and therefore your property [NAME] would not be kept private/confidential with them.

By: Alisa

Alisa — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:37:58 +0000

SSA can have personal information about you in their computers but that information should remain PRIVATE- and your NAME should not be on the card, because they’ve always said that the card should not be used for identification purposes. If that was true, then why do they print your NAME on the card?

If you lose the card they ask that you provide them adequate identification. If the i.d. satisfies them they’ll issue another card and your NAME should not be on the card. The only reason your NAME is on the card is because they are not in compliance with the privacy laws, which means that your personal information should stay private with SSA. Since your identity is not private they get to enact more laws for identity theft.

By: Alisa

Alisa — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:11:10 +0000

Here’s what it says on the application instructions:

“The information you furnish on this form is voluntary. However, failure to provide the requested information MAY prevent us from issuing you a SS number or card. ” (Emphasis added)

It doesn’t say WILL prevent us from issuing you a SS number or card. It says MAY prevent us.

You’d probably have to take them to court to get them to comply with The Privacy Act.

By: Alisa

Alisa — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:53:19 +0000

Since when has the birth certificate been evidence of U.S. citizenship? SSA says a lot of things on their application instructions, but they don’t cite any U.S. Code that says the birth certificate is evidence of U.S. citizenship. There’s not even a state law that says the birth certificate is evidence of state citizenship yet the birth certificate says you were born in the State of _______.

The SSA application instructions are not law- they are mere rules or guidelines you MUST follow if you want the card/number. The instructions says the information you provide on the application is VOLUNTARY but they won’t issue a card to you if you don’t provide the information. How VOLUNTARY is that? The SSA is not in compliance with the The Privacy Act. The Privacy Act states that if the information requested is mandatory the government agency requesting the information has to cite the[ir] authority for requesting the information, but if the information is voluntary no citation is necessary because the information requested is not mandatory. The SSA cites their authority for requesting the information on the application instructions but the information they request is not mandatory- it is voluntary. They make the information appear mandatory (by citing an authority) when the application instructions says it is a VOLUNTARY. The fact of the matter is that the information is VOLUNTARY and by law (The Privacy Act) they should provide you a card and number without asking for personal information.

By: admin

admin — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:53:30 +0000

Someone at a Yahoo Group responded to my comments to Frankie by saying, “I don’t believe the IRS or any tax agency uses the SSN to establish jurisdiction, because jurisdiction was never established WITH the SSN.”

Your beliefs may not be founded on sufficient research. Have you looked up who is ENTITLED to apply for an Social Security Number? Answer: UNITED STATES CITIZENS! I challenge you to prove me wrong on this from the Social Security Act. Everyone I know that stopped using the Social Security Number stopped having any problem with the IRS.

Here: http://retirement.gov/online/ss-5fs.pdf

I found the following quote as part of the application for a Social Security Number, “To apply for an original card, you must provide at least two documents to prove age, identity, and U.S. citizenship…” I’m telling you right now, there is nothing innocent about the use of the phrase “U.S. citizenship”. In the instructions with the application there is a section: “EVIDENCE DOCUMENTS The following lists are examples of the types of documents you must provide with your application and are not all inclusive.” In this section of instructions there is another section saying, “Evidence of U.S. Citizenship In general, you must provide your U.S. birth certificate or U.S. Passport.”

If you press farther and research the statutes you will find no mention of state citizens: Search Title 42 of the US Code “Your query “state citizen” returned 0 results.”